possibility. >> no, nope, nothing in the background, and with the hipaa laws we don't know exactly about the medical records, but nothing. everyone said that this is completely out of character for him. that he was an upstanding citizen until this at this point, but you hear the same thing, quiet, kept to himself, and camp counselor. >> and i spoke to a man who drank beers with him at a local bar tuesday and little more than 48 hours before the attack who said he seemed totally normal and they talked about the denver broncos and regular guy at ta bar and no signs at the bar that guy could tell. >> and also, kyra, if he declared mentally incompetent which means -- >> guys, a live press here and than fox t thanks for the kmgh affiliate. >> we want to provide information in a variety of ways including through the press if that is acceptable. you saw what happened today in court. there is what is called a rule 5 advisement.

where the judge basically told the defendant what constitutional rights he could expect to have in this case. you heard the judge say that there was a probable cause determination. in colorado, we do an initial probable cause determination to make sure that there's kind of an overview of the evidence so that the court knows that there's enough evidence to continue to hold the defendant. the defendant is being held without bond at this point in time. eventually, there will be a preliminary hearing and proof evident presumption great hearing and we will ask the court the continue holding him without bond. so, are there any questions? >> do you -- >> i was a reporter and i'm from cbs and i was part of the media actually in the courtroom, and i was struck by the fact that he seemed to have no emotion, and did not follow what was going on and i don't think that i ever saw his head turn when

conversations were being made. is he on a medication or something? or is he aware? can you tell us something that would affect his demeanor that seemed -- >> we would have no information about that. that is something that would not be shared with us. >> as the district attorney here, and long time prosecutor, from the outset, does this seem as though it is a slam dunk case given the evidence that you have amassed so far? >> i would say there is no such thing as slam dunk case. it is a case where we are still looking at the enormous amount of evidence, and we would nef presu -- never presume it is slam dunk. we will work hard on this case to prosecute it just like any other case. >> and what about what he was arrested on? >> i am aware that you are not an officer, but was it your decision, would this be a death penalty case? >> i don't think that is a case that can be made in the abstract. there is so much that victims have to take into account, and victims will be impacted by that

decision in an enormous way for years if, if the death penalty is sought. that is a very long process. that impacts their lives for years. and so they will will want to sierra nevada a we will want to get their input before we make any decision on that. >> how much say do the victims -- >> and when he was arraigned today on the charges of he was arrested and what is that charge? >> well, this is not an arraignment. that comes later on down the line. and the court found probable cause and that is first-degree murder. >> could the federal law be applied to this case? could there ultimately also be a federal trial? >> theoretically, that -- there are ways that could happen, but it is very speculative. >> do you anticipate an insanity defense? >> i don't know that we are anticipating anything yet, because we have to look more at

what information we are given and sort it all out and then make some decisions. >> and it seemed protective safety in jail? >> that is my understanding, he is held in icelatiosolation. >> and what is your reaction seeing him? >> it was my first time seeing him and it is important to treat him as any other defendant in the criminal justice system. >> and can you tell us whether or not you determine about the death penalty, but can you tell us where in the process that comes and with what we should be looking for? >> the death penalty case has to be made 60 days within the arraignment, and months down the line still. within those months with le talk to the victims and develop relationships and know who we are and who they can talk to, and that is going to take some time in this case. >> how would you -- >> we are managing all of the victims with as many victim advocates as we can get.

we are using victim advocates from other offices. we are using pios from other offices so each family has somebody else they can rely on if they need to, but we also have a place on the website, and our website is da18.org and people can go to that website and let us know what their e-mail address is the and we can send out mass e-mail alerts to the group of victims if they want to do that. >> carol, there have been a number of high profile cases in this district and can you tell us where this ranks for you and your staff? >> we don't rank cases, because they are all important to us, and we want to give each and every victim the attention and each and every case the attention and the resources that it needs. >> how many charges do you expect to file? >> i think that is unknown at this point in time. there is the potential for many, but we haven't made those decisions yet. >> what sentence would -- >> we don't know that yet. >> and what is the life span of

this case? >> that is so unpredictable, and i have no idea. >> would you consider domestic terrorism charges? >> that would not be something that we would normally consider in state prosecutions. >> if you talk to the victims and the mood is not to go for the death penalty, do you discretion or does the state have discretion to go against that or are you bound in some way to follow the witnesses? >> it is up to the prosecutor on the case. >> and in the case of -- [ inaudible question ] >> we don't have a lot of information on that and we could not speak to it if we did. anybody on the team have anything else? >> when do you expect this to go to trial? >> that is also very unpredictable, and it depends upon a number of motions and the availability of the court. it will -- nothing in the court system moves all that quickly, and so -- >> months, a year? >> at least a year i would say. >> carol, what sort of --

>> is probation, you are trying to figure out? obviously, you learneded a lot in the first couple of days and where from now are the questions that you still have that you are trying to get answers to? >> well, it is an active and ongoing investigation, and we are still doing subpoenas and search warrants and so i don't -- we are still looking at this case from every angle. following up on every information that the media has obtained that would be of interest to the officers. so we are still very much partnered with the aurora police department on finding information. >> and speaking of the matter of media, do you anticipate a change of venue request because of all that unfolded here? >> we certainly know that is an ish shoe brought up to the court. >> and the jumpsuit that we saw him in today, is that the standard color that a suspect or inmate would wear in the jail here? >> i would defer that to the sheriff's department, because i don't know how they dress people. >> and in respect to the murder charges that were filed where there were 12 deaths here but

could be 24 -- >> that is a guess. and there are different ways that someone can commit first-degree murder and one of the ways is after deliberation, but if another way is extreme indifference, and they are just two different ways, and so somebody can based on the conduct involved can commit both of those offenses. >> the assessment of the family is that they are cooperating with the investigation? >> i have no information about that. >> and as far as the deadline to file charges, when is the deadline? >> there is no deadline in the rules of when you can file charges, and in this jurisdiction, it is traditionally 72 hours, but there are special circumstances to ask for longer, and this is clearly one of those cases. the filing of the charges is set for next monday morning. >> when is the next appearance? >> next monday morning at 8:30? 9:30. >> carol, will the defendant be there for that? >> that would be directed to the defense attorney. >> that is a preliminary hear

ing? >> no, the next hearing is the filing of the charges, and that is where we give the defendant, and the defense attorneys the actual charges that the defense, the defendant will be facing. >> because so many charges -- >> and in the change of venue, is it within the victims' rights to have the trial here, because of everything unfolding here. >> it is not the victim's right, but it is their preference to have it close to the home and most convenient for them, but all considerations will be weighed by the court. >> and because it is so many charges, how long do you think that you will be amending them and adding and removing and that sort of thing? >> well, we are trying to get it right the first time, but as we will be continuing to get more information, and in a case like this, the investigation does not stop. lit continue it will continue up to trial, and as we find more information, we want to get the right charges. i could not predict that. but it is certainly something that we are willing to do if necessary. maybe one more question. >> can i ask a nonlegal question, please.

we have been in court and watched the proceedings, but considering the nature of what has unfolded and how it has affected the community, what is the mood of the team about this case? >> our team is -- it is just a difficult type of case to be involved in. and i think that everybody is -- it just has been working like the police and working all weekend to get done what needs to be done. i am not sure they have stopped to consider how it isimpact iin them at this point yet. we want to get everything that we can as quickly as we can. if there is anybody out there who knows something about this who has not talked to the police, please contact the aurora police department or contact us, a ndnd we will get in touch with the right people. thank you. >> you have been watching and listening to colorado's district attorney, and that was carol chambers talking about what will come next. clearly, this is a big story that we are following here in the united states as well as around the world in this hour of

newsroom international. what are we looking at here? well, what youave seen on the screen there is the suspect, the movie theater massacre, and his first court appearance, and you saw it there live. he is james holmes. he went before a judge, and this is the first look at the suspect. since this shooting rampage that left 12 people dead and 58 wounded. it is the talk of the country. it is simply the talk and the story around the world. james holmes, and we saw and got a good look of what he looked like here and his hair was dyed bright red and orange and he sat quietly next to the attorney in the courtroom, and really a bizarre situation taking place there. i want to bring in a number of the players who have been following this. don lemon who has been outside of the courthouse. jim spellman, who has been in d inside of the courthouse. we will bring in our legal contributor paul callon out of new york and poppy harlan to talk more about the victims in the case. but don, i want to start off

with you here, because we've seen for the first time what james holmes looks like, and it was really kind of bizarre and very disturbing as a lot of people took a look and saw the guy had very little emotion. at one point, it looked like he was drugged. what do we know about his state of being in his first court appearance? >> i will talk to you about the reports that are out there first and also about the inmates who had just been released said about him. and then, you should probably speak to jim about inside of the courtroom, because he was there and saw him face-to-face. they are saying when he was in jail, he was acting very erratically, and that they had to place him in solitary confinement, and he was acting erratic at the place of the solitary confinement and spitting at the police officers and spitting through the door of his cell. and that his eyes were rolling back in his head and that he was acting strangely, and they were saying also the inmates that were just released that the

inmates in there were very upset with him and they placed him in solitary confinement so that the inmates would not try to harm james holmes or take james holmes h' li holmes' life and it is bizarre because he is closing his eyes and looks tired and appears to be drugged, but that is the red hair we are hearing about. he died the -- he dyed the hair bright red, because he is a dark haired guy as we have seen. and what did you see in the courtro courtroom? >> well, first he shuffled in with the shackles on the legs and wearing flip-flops and burgundy jumpsuit with a vest underneath and bulletproof vest and shackled with a hunched down demeanor. and you hear about horrific the attack was, and this is the man alleged to have done it, and to me, he looked like a defeated person. he looked glum. kind of out of it. i don't know that we ever know what to expect when we finally lay eyes on somebody like this,

but that wasn't it for me. >> and suzanne, we haven't heard anything like this that he was on any medication or that he ever acted strangely before, but to see this, i mean, this is the first time we are seeing him, and it does appear to be odd behavior. >> jim, tell us who was inside of the courtroom. was his family actually there for the initial appearance or any of the victims' families there? >> there were definitely victims' families there, and i will tell you that group of victims' families stared straight at holmes the entire time and never once saw them look at the judge. the defense attorneys or the prosecutors, because they stareded at him the entire time. no vocal outbursts and holmes did not say a word and we did not hear anything from the family members. i am not sure if any of james holmes' family was there or not. i couldn't tell one way or another. those family members definitely the eyes straight on him the entire time. >> some of them are out here now, suzanne and maybe making the way up to the camera and i keep looking over, because they are over in the media horde, but we know that alex teaves is a

24-year-old who died in the shooting and his dad is going to come on cnn to talk about his son. and they gave us a new picture today, but he was in the courtroom, and there are some victims' family members here as well. >> and i want you guys to hang was, and stay with us if you will. we are going to take a quick break and get back to both of you of what it felt like to be in the courtroom with thele alleged killer and what we are expecting some of the family members to go before the cameras and the mike kro phones to talk about just what has happened a even how this is, this horrific experience, and you are talking about 12 who were killed inside of that movie theater, and 58 others wounded. we are are going to tick a quick break and go right back to that scene.

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the appearance. jim, set the scene for us, what it was like when he first walked in and shuffled in and shackled and how did that room respond inside to his presence? >> well, first before we could go into the courtroom, two layers of extra security that we had to get wanded and double-checked our names. there were two deputies who walked into the room, and he entered through a door in the back next to the bench. he came in and sat down immediately in the juror's box. he was wearing brown slip-on flip-flops and socks and burgundy medical scrubs and jumpsuit, and clearly a vest underneath. and he was shackled at the legs and the arms and he kind of shuffled. he looked around a little bit and sat down. i didn't see him look anywhere else except more or less straight ahead more or less to where the judge is. and everybody in the courtroom immediately, the journalists as well as the family members on the other side of the and court personnel were all craning their necks to get a look at this guy.

throughout the rest of the time, he gave us not many more clues. the sulen look and kind of bobbing a little bit. and a little bit out of it for sure, but from my point of view, no real indications that this was the same person that could have pulled off this, you know, this major attack. it just seemed like a small person, you know. did not seem like a powerful person. >> and suzanne, it is important to point out, too, that he was not charged with anything in this hearing. and we didn't hear, because there was an audioproblem and a little bit of a jump there. he was mirandize and read him the rights in the court. >> and the judge began by mirandizing him, and said you have the right to remain silent, and the state has in the right to charge him with probable cause murder, and the next date to charge him is next monday, and the search warrant is sealed and kept it sealed in this, so we don't know the exact details off what is in the what they use to charge him with, and of

course, still an ongoing investigation and it was only saturday night that they were able to get to the computer and everything else in the apartment, and so definitely a lot more work and usually 72 hours to charge somebody from the initial appearance. they asked for an extension and neither side objected so they will get a week to put it togeth together. >> but most likely, if you know carol chambers the d.a. here, she will go for the death penalty. and then the defense will probably plead insanity, and that why they wanted to have that mental xcapacity hearing a well. >> and there is two elements to that. there is whether he is come pett to stand trial and then there is separately whether they will use any type of mental issues as a defense. so he could be found competent for trial, and then still use the insanity defense later on down the road. >> and like you were talking, suzanne, and you were asking about the behavior and some people were wondering if it is a put-on and maybe, we are not sure, because if he is declared mentally inm cop pe tent -- incompetent then the death penalty is off of the table and the viewers should be aware of that. >> okay. i will get back to you, but i

want to bring in paul calan an our legal analyst to talk about what you have been discussing. do we know where the suspect james holmes is now and where he is being held in custody, and what are the circumstances around his being held in terms of the quality of life? i understand that he is now in solitary confinement and has been behaving quite bizarrely. >> well, normally a murder suspect would be held in the county jail. he's of course at the courthouse now, and we were advised that prior to being at the courthouse, he was in the kocouy facility. this is where everybody charged with a serious drcrime is held. he was held in solitary confinement because of concerns that he might be in danger from other prisoners. this is not unusual. pretty much across the country in a murder case, this sort of thing happens in advance of trial. he'll probably remain in a facility or one like that until

he is tried. >> now, we heard from the district attorney carol chambers and she said that the filing of the charges are not going to happen until next monday, i believe july 30th, and what was the point or the purpose of this first court appearance today? >> well, this is unusual. in most american states the police arrest a suspect, and then usually within 24 to 48 hours, he is arraigned in front off a judge, and the charges are announced. there is a plea of guilty or not guilty. colorado has a different procedure, and it is called a rule 5 advisement. it essentially allows the pros cue tor to continue an investigation for at least another 72 hours in a particular ly complex case. this, of course, is such a case. however, any american citizen who has been placed under arrest has to be produced before the judge. what the pros ecutor did is to present evidence and this did not happen in court, but behind the scenes presentation to the

judge supporting probable cause on one murder count, and one first-degree murder count, and the judge said, i find there is reason to hold him, and then both sides agreed to defer the actual arraignment probably until next week, monday. so that's the way it works. it is a little different than we are accustomed to seeing in other states. >> paul we will get into the details off where this goes forward and we will take a quick break and then come right back to you. active naturals wheat formulas restore strength for up to 90% less breakage in three washes. for strong, healthy hair with life, new aveeno nourish+ strengthen. why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain; it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side effects include headache, flushin upset stomach, and abnormal vision. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours.

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k-i-n-g and tamara brady, t-a-m-a-r-a and b-r-a-d-y, colorado state defenders office appears for mr. holmes who is in custody. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> mr. holmes, this matter comes on for what we call an inial advisement pursuant to rule 5. deputy, if you could please step back. you have the right to remain silent and if you make any statements, they can be used against you. you have the right to be represented by an attorney and if if you cannot afford one, the statutory guidelines will appoint one to represent you at no cost to yourself, and your plea is involuntary and not under coercion, and you have a right to be advised of the charges. and you have a right to be advised of the charges. the duty judge has made a predetermination of probable cause to believe that you have committed the offense of

first-degree murder which is a class i felony under colorado law, and ordinarily individuals are entitled to bail, and given the nature of the charges, you are currently held on a no-bond-hold. i want the bring in the legal analyst paul kcallan to talk about this, and when you look at the appearance of james holmes, he is looking like he is bobbing his head a little bit and in and out of it and not typical when somebody is facing these kinds of charges. what do you make of the condition of him at the first court appearance? >> well, i have been in court and seen a lot of defendants arraigned in murder cases, and i was very, very surprised by his appearance. he was sort of flat, unemotional and did not react to the charges. of course, the bizarre red hair. but what really struck me was that brunette seated next to him and standing next to him is tamara brady, the assigned lawyer and usually at the

arraignment there san active interplay between the lawyer and the defendant, and he is saying, what is happening now? you see them asking questions of the attorney. at least the part that was televised, i didn't see any of that. there was no sort of communication with her. he just nodded his head and l k looked straight ahead and very unemotional. so, he didn't look like your garden variety, if there could be such a thing, defendant in a case involving violence and murder. >> and paul, is it possible, and i know he is being held, but is it possible if he is taking some sort of drug they would have administer administered the drugs to him, because it almost looks like he is on something? >> well, it is possible, but highly unlikely. they would be very, very leery of administering any sort of drug that might affect his ability to understand the charges against him. we will hear more details later on when the medical information is released, but my bet is that he was not medicated, and that this is his appearance and now

may relate to his being tired and we don't know how long he was interrogated or what went on in the prison system. but i am betting that his appearance was not drug-induced in any way. >> all right. paul, we will get back to you in a minute. we are starting to get some sound now. there are the victims of the shooting that we want to remind you exactly what happened here. we are talking about someone who went into a packed movie theater, a midnight showing and opened fire, and tear gas and just a number of horrific things that unfolded in that theater leaving 12 people dead and 58 injured. well, now, you have members of thos family members coming forward to talk about their loved ones and what they are experiencing right now, and some of them are actually at that court appearance, and got a chance to see through closed-circuit television just what this alleged murderer looks like. i want to go ahead to play a little bit of sound from the family members of some of the victims who are now speaking out.

>> and she is really, she's r l really like i said, she's been, you know, really not wanting to and she shouldn't have to explain anything to the media right now. she has to concentrate on what is going on right now. she needs to have this baby delivered and she needs to take care of her husband and everybody needs to pray for them. >> that is the father-in-law, david sanchez, the father-in-law of one of the victims of that shooting. i want to bring in poppy harlow, because poppy, i know you have information on two fronts, information first about the apartment of james holmes, and there was a lot of information coming out about how it was booby trapped and then also you have been talking to a lot of thos family members who are going through this experience now just trying to figure out whether their loved ones is injured or whether or not they have been killed? where do they go next? how do they pick up the pieces? tell us who you have been speaking , absolutely, suzanne,e

are here at the site where the tragedy unfolded. i have spoken to a number of family members of the victims, and they are in a state of shock and disbelief. but i do want to get to that apartment, because i think that this is so important as we talk about and look at the images from the courtroom today and we talk about the 12 people that were murdered in those early hours on friday morning and the 58 that were injured, we still have 17 in the hospital right now. eight of them in critical condition at this hour, and we don't know what is going to happen to them, and we are hoping for the best, but you have to think of that, and also think about this apartment. i spent all of saturday from 3:00 a.m. on at the apartment complex of james holmes and in the words of the police chief here in aurora, colorado, dan oates said, make no mistake this apartment was designed to kill. james holmes in this apartment what we are told by the auth

authorities that this apartment was rigged with everything from more than a dozen ieds and the self-made explosive devices tied to what they are deeming to be liquid accelerants and devices with black powder in them, a nd things that i was told by law enforcement officials that were made to fuel an explosion and make it worse. who would go into the apartment? likely a first responder or we even know that a neighbor from downstairs went up to inquire about the very loud techno music blaring out of the apartment. and caitlin fonzie decided at the last minute not to go intop the a partment, but if she had, she would have likely been killed. and not only did the massacre happen in the theater behind me, but the apartment was booby trapped behind me, and i would like to know from paul callan if he believes this would lead to

more charges. >> and describe to us what that search was like, because it was very unusual how they searched the three-story building and you saw what seemed to be a ladder that was going up to the window. they did not g throuo through t front door as you would typically do if you were to enter somebody's residence. >> they didn't, because they sent in robots with the videocameras to get an assessment of what was inside of that apartment. obviously, they didn't want to send any individual in once they realized that it was booby trapped. they got a lot of video. and they flew in chemists from washington, d.c., and flew in bomb experts and fbi, atf and local police and fire there and all of the experts on scene, and they assessed the situation and then right before noon on saturday, they detonated a device to basically, what it was, it was a device with water in there that eliminated the rest of them being detonated and took all of the self-made bombs and put them into a car and took

them off of the site. then they still have not to the best of our knowledge allowed the people, the residents of that buildingt 690 north paris street in, because they are gathering evidence. you heard that bomb on saturday when they yelled fire in the hole three times, and then they detonated that device. then after that, after the robots and after they did that successfully, they did put individuals into the apartment, but it was perilous, and moment by moment, we the press were getting briefed every hour, but imagine for the first responderers who had to be there to take care of it what they were dealing with, and this is in addition to the murder of all of those victims. >> poppy, we are going to take a quick break and we will get back to you on other side. i want to talk more about what you have been reporting, but also get to some of the families of those victims of this massacre. i want to take a quick break and then we will be right back. if there was a pill

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hollywood has not officially released any box office results from the movie "the dark knight rises" certainly out of respect for the shooting victims in colorado. immediately after the shootings warner brothers cancelled the red carpet premiere in paris, and now they have cancelled more overseas events. i want to bring in kareen wynter of how they have responded and react ed reacted to this and whether there is any reaction to first seeing the court appearance here of james holmes. >> well, we haven't gotten any reaction yet and we are looking out for statements from the studio and even the stars tweeting about this really since the tragedy unfolded, but it is quite understandable, suzanne, out of respect for the victims, warner brothers studio has cancelled more promotional events for the film telling us that due to the tragic events in aurora, colorado, warner brother pictures has cancelled the previously scheduled personal appearances of the cast and the fi filmmakers in japan and mexico

on behalf of "the dark knight rises." and suzanne, the special screenings and the fan promotional events will happen, but without any glitzy bright carpet scenes and meaning no stars will at the end and in addition to the u.s., the "dark knight rises" opened in 17 countries over the weekend and let me tell you about the numbers. the film earned $70 million overseas and took in $60 million in the uk and $15 million in australia and as well as south korea and spain estimated to earn $4 million with another $3 million in hong kong, however the numbers have not been confirmed by warner brothers at the moment which is a studio owned by cnn's parent company time warner. i spoke with the people who track the box office receipts and they say they should have the numbers at 1:00 p.m. today our time. suzanne? >> well, this is a popular franchise and do they have any sense of how this is unfolding compared to the last movie, "the dark knight."

>> that is an interesting question, because here in the u.s. the last film "the dark knight" earned $158 million the opening weekend, but estimates for this final installment were much higher and in fact, around $190 million due to several factors, increased ticket prices and the fact that this film is showing on 50 more screens than last time, but if the current reported totalf of $160 million reported by the new york times sticks, that is less than expected. i want to underscore something re really important here, that it is way too early to draw this lower than expected tracking when it comes to the box office numbers to ton fortunate events in colorado. of course, it seems logical that the entertainment was not on their minds this weekend, because the hearts and the prayers with those who lost loved ones and maybe a lot of people chose to sit it out or see it another time, and we cannot say for sure until the numbers come n and again, the estimates were not release and the actuals today and we will

have that once the numbers come in. suzanne. >> and this movie cancelled and some events related to it. kareen, thank you very much. we will have a quick break and have more details about the first court appearance of the suspect of this massacre. now you can apply sunblock to your kids' wet skin. neutrogena® wet skin kids. ordinary sunblock drips and whitens. neutrogena® wet skin cuts through water. forms a broad spectrum barrier for full strength sun protection. wet skin. neutrogena®.

i want to bring in poppy harlow who is joining us obviously from a city who is grieving, aurora, colorado. poppy, we had a chance last week after this was all unfolding to

talk to people who are actually in the theater, and many of the survivors feeling a sense of survivor's guilt and the tragedy of all of it. you could tell they were traumatized by what had happened and now you have people who have been identified and their families are mourning their loved ones. you have had a chance over the weekend and today to talk to those folks, and to see how they are doing to try to pick up the pieces of their lives. what are you learning from some of the people who are trying to make sense of all of this? >> i think that a huge range of emotion from family members of the wounded and those that have died. two close friends, and i will start with jessica ghawi who is the first victim who lost her life that we learned of late on friday. i spent a lot of time with her brother, jordan, who described his sister as a fiery redhead and someone who was passionate about everything in life. personally, and professionally, he came here to bring his sister home to his parents in texas.

so grieving that loss. yesterday i spent the day with friends of staff sergeant jesse childress who was 29 years old, and served in the air force here. they were so stunned, and you mentioned that sort of feeling guilty. these friends of his had convinced him to come with him to the midnight screening of batman, suzanne, friday and apparently he wanted to go the next day, and they convinced him to come, and they were feeling guilty it is in part their fault, and i assured them that it is not their fault, but they are dealing with that. one of them, his air force members and friends of his within the air force said i will never go to a movie again, this has shaken me to the core. i feel in part responsible. so it is a massive range of emotions. i spent time on saturday with some of the evacuees and people who were not injured in this, but they were evacuated in the apartment home with holmes lived on 690 north paris street,

because the home was filled with ieds and a lot of them were parents with numerous children and they said, what if i had gone to work and this apartment had exploded and my children had died or been injured, and they are nervous about where they live and going home and they have not been allowed to go home. that brings up the point earlier about the additional charges outside of those murdered in the episode or wounded, what about the fact that this artment was booby trapped in such a sophisticated manner by police chief dan oates and he said make no mistake that this apartment was rigged to kill. and i would like to know what impact na withat will have on t charges next monday. >> and we will do that. tell us how this community is able to cope? what kind of support? turning to each other or those people who are there or the people who are not able to go back into their homes?

>> they are turning to each other, and i will see if the folks in the control room can cue up the sound from the vigil. i spent the night at the vigil about a mile from here at the shooting location, and thousands of people who came together from all over aurora, and colorado just to support one another, and the family members were there, and government officials spoke. the mayor of aurora saying that, you know, we will reclaim our city in the name of kindness and goodness. that made me think about forgiveness, suzanne, and i want to play some sound for you and i talked to a number of people about whether or not they can even think of forgiveness at this point in time, and their answers surprised me. take a listen. >> forgiveness is not always for the person that you are forgiving that committed the crime. it is also for yourself and part of that healing. if you cannot forgive someone, you hold nit your heart, a nd yu will stay angry. >> the little girl was killed a eni have a 1-year-old daughter,

and 3-year-old daughter, myself and i don't believe he can be forgiven. >> part of the prayers were to the victims and if amlies and the first responders and everybody who is helping, but for the shooter and his family, because for me, personally, and for our belief system, it is not our place to judge, and not forgiving only puts us in a place where we can't move forward. >> so, you know, of course, you had that one gentleman saying i can't forgive and i think about my daughter in all of this, but the majority of the people i talked to said they believed for this community to move forward, they have to forgive. they won't ifforget, but they he to forgive, and for a community to do that days after a massa e massacre, and i would be remiss to say that we are 13 miles from where the massacre at columbine happened. so this community has been through so much devastation and really pulling together and it

is the stories of the friends and the fm lamilies coming toger that is so encouraging. i want to give one update because i spoke to the parents of jessica ghawi and her brother, brent, who was injured in all of this is in stable condition now. he lost his best friend jessica, but he is doing a little bit better. >> some silver lining in some of this when you see that people can recover and we saw from what poppy was reporting that people coming together in the community, even just the last woman who we saw there with somebody just rubbing her back, and just that little bit of comfort there to try to help people get through such a tough, tough time. we are going to have more after the break. o

we are following the developing story. the first court appearance of james holmes, the suspect, in the colorado theater massacre, and i want to bring in paul callan our legal analyst to talk about the charges that he could potentially face. we know it is not going to happen until monday and we are not just talking about chge related to 12 people murder and 3

58 injured, but also the booby trapped apartment, his home that was set up as almost like a killing scene if you will for those who would enter the house after this murder spree. >> yes. and you know, poppy harlow, our reporter on the scene raised an exc excellent point, could additional charges be lodged because of the bobby trapped apartmentb and the answer is yes. there are reports that this was such a sophisticated set-up that a fireball could have been created that might have wipeded out the entire third floor of the apartment building and indeed started a fire that would have burned down the entire building which would trigger the possibility of additional attempted murder charges with respect to everybody who lives in the apartment building as well as law enforcement authorities and my thought on this, suzanne, on this, federal authorities might have a handle here to come in under terrorism statues. this is an act of domestic terrorism, and the feds could

lodge charges. now that might have an impact later on, because it is a little bit easier to get around an insanity defense under federal law as opposed to under colorado law. so i would expect that we will see federal authorities and colorado authorities discussing at is the best venue to pr prosecute him in if in fact this turns out to be a death penalty case and if in fact there is an insanity defense. >> is it possible that he would not be prosecuted in the state of colorado? >> well, federal authorities could take jurisdiction of the case if they wanted to, and they could prosecute him federally, but the state authorities could then continue their prosecution as well. so, you might see him prosecuted in both ven use. we have seen it happen in a number of cases involving mass murder like this in the past and it would not surprise me if both the state and the fed authorities decided to proceed. >> paul, maybe too soon to know

this, but obviously a lot of family members of the victims here and they are looking for justice potentially at least 70 counts when you take into account the injured as well as the murdered there. how long do you think that this could play out before they feel and see this suspect behind bars? >> well, sadly, you know, in a case like this, you want to see it brought to trial quickly so that there is resolution, but i would imagine that this is going to be a very lengthy process. we heard from the district attorney chambers who gave in her press conference an assessment, and she said off of the cuff at least a year, and i am betting she is being very, very conservative about that, because it is certainly at least a year and possibly longer. you have a lot of sophisticated issues here. you have an insanity defense, and come petency to stand trial and imposition of the death penalty and multiple jurisdictions investigating. so it would be very, very surprising if anything happened in under a year, unless of course he pleads giuilty to all

charges at which always is a possibility, too. >> all right. paul callan, thank you very much, and we appreciate your analysis. we will take a quick break and be back with more on this story. . [ growls ] lucky for me, your friends showed up with this awesome bone. hey! you guys are great. and if you got your home insurance where you got your cut rate car insurance, it might not replace all this. [ electricity crackling ] [ gasping ] so get allstate. you could save money and be better protected from mayhem like me. [ dennis ] mayhem is everywhere. so get an allstate agent. are you in good hands? [ dennis ] mayhem is everywhere. therif they don't act,hike hanging over us. americans will see their taxes on dividend income spike, almost tripling in some cases. whether it's on him, or her, or them, it's a ripple effect on america's economy, slowing job creation, squeezing seniors and families, and hindering economic recovery. tell congress to stop a dividend tax hike now.

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